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Post by Nethyr on Jul 22, 2007 22:33:42 GMT -4
Do not read this thread if you haven't finished reading (or hearing) all of HP7 yet. This thread is solely for the discussion of the book once you've finished it completely.
No really. Don't ruin it for yourself.
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Post by Nethyr on Jul 22, 2007 22:34:34 GMT -4
I'll be here soon. Just finished Snape's final memories. Just wanted to start the thread for those who have. Game on.
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Post by Trixie on Jul 22, 2007 23:08:08 GMT -4
Yoda's got nothing on Molly Weasley
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Post by dan on Jul 22, 2007 23:26:49 GMT -4
Well, I'm not much of a reader... so I watched the movie on Videobox.com. It was good, but her boobs didn't look real to me. Oh...wait... that was Hairy Tw**ter. My mistake.
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Post by Poobar on Jul 23, 2007 6:50:47 GMT -4
Albus Severus Potter... Named for the two Greatest Headmasters that Hogwarts ever had... That book was brutal...
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Post by Nethyr on Jul 23, 2007 7:47:01 GMT -4
"Not my daughter, you !" may have very well been the line of the whole series. Hey did anyone else feel like they were reading The Matrix 2 in chapter 35? I admit that almost all of my theories were for naught, however I enjoyed seeing the one valid one screaming at me loud and clear as early as the bottom of pg. 346. I still can't believe we didn't see an inch of Fawkes (in the present) in this book. What a red herring.
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Post by fullermj on Jul 23, 2007 10:24:33 GMT -4
done.
(I'm still nervous about talking about any spoliers) ;-)
what a body count, yikes.
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Post by Paco_Guerrera on Jul 23, 2007 12:52:28 GMT -4
I spent all day reading yesterday from chapter 13 to the end. I was worried a bit at first since the time spent hiding in the forests seemed to go on a little too long, but once they recovered the sword and the plot started progressing again, everything was great.
The Prince's Tale might be my favorite chapter in any of the books. She totally got me man. Up until the very moment Harry approached Snapes dying body and received the pensieve memories, I totally bought that he was in fact an evil bastard and not one of the good guys. Seeing his motivations and the truth of his story was well needed closure.
King's Cross was my second favorite chapter. I think I just have a love for seeing how plot pieces scattered throughout years of writing can finally be brought together to fill in the gaps and enlighten the reader on whats really going on. Plus it was cool to get a few pages with Dumbledore again. I like how she gave him flaws. We always looked at Dumbledore sort of like Harry. He was this awesome presence that seemed to know everything and could do no wrong. In this story we saw that he was in reality a human being. Sure he was a great human being, but he was capable of making mistakes and having lapses in judgement just like any other person. I liked that she brought him off that pedestal people placed him on without actually making him any less awesome a character.
That being said, killing Hewig was totally unecessary.
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Post by Poobar on Jul 23, 2007 13:36:44 GMT -4
Killing Hedwig set the tone for the book... just incase you didnt think people were gonna die...
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Post by Paco_Guerrera on Jul 23, 2007 15:18:13 GMT -4
I think Moody being killed at the same time set that tone rather well. Killing Hedwig while trapped in her cage seemed excessive and pointless, almost like she wanted to get a few more bodies in there and since Hedwig wasnt important then why the hell not. The least she could have done was let Harry release Hedwig and maybe have her get cursed while actually attacking a death eater or something.
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Post by Nethyr on Jul 23, 2007 17:49:31 GMT -4
Dude it's an owl, not a phoenix. I think the worst it could do to a death eater is deliver unsolicited mail.
I have to agree that it did set quite a tone. Moody was a skilled and hardened soldier who placed himself into combat willingly. Hedwig was an innocent non-combatant. Very different feeling to me.
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Post by Paco_Guerrera on Jul 23, 2007 18:31:08 GMT -4
Yeah innocent, but its also a bird. An animal being killed just doesnt have the same impact as a person being killed, at least in my opinion. Yes it was a regular character, but that is also why I thought it deserved at least to get a fighting chance and not get blasted while trapped in its cage. Also, owls are birds of prey. They have sharp talons. They hunt and kill woodland creatures for food. Plus this one was magically inclined. Are you seriously telling me a magical owl claw to your face wouldnt your up, especially when you're busy trying to steer a broom and cast spells at the same time? An owl can mess you up sucka. I guess if we couldnt even be given the courtesy of seeing how Lupin and Tonks died, I shouldnt be surprised. I defintely liked and enjoyed the book, but there were definetely certain things handled in crappy ways and all I could think was bull !
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Post by fullermj on Jul 23, 2007 22:28:39 GMT -4
how did people feel about the epilogue? I thought it was cutesy, but I also felt it was a tool for Rowling to say "ok, no more books", unless some bad went down when harry/ginny were having/raising little Al Sev. thoughts?
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Post by Nethyr on Jul 23, 2007 22:41:38 GMT -4
I enjoyed the epilogue. Some people wanted more out of it like knowing what everyone's job is and stuff... but as a friend of mine said, we don't need to know who ended up in middle-management, etc. As for "tool to write no more books", she's said for ages that there'll be seven books and that's all so I don't think she's tool hunting. That's not to say that if she released a copy of "Hogwarts: A history" I wouldn't hop right in line.
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Post by Poobar on Jul 24, 2007 0:06:25 GMT -4
After listening to the book for 21 hours over two days, I'm still not quite ready to believe that it's over. I'm really enjoying reading everyone's comments on this thread, so I thought I'd come out of hiding and add my own... My overall impression of the book was that it was all about choices. Early on in the series, Dumbledore tells Harry "It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." That line kept running through my head as I was reading this last installment and realizing that even the smallest choices Harry, Ron, and Hermione made in the earlier books had significant results. Harry's choice not to kill Wormtail, his choice to try and free Dobby, Hermione attempting to be nice to Kreature, ... each of those acts of kindness literally saved their asses later on. It is Harry's choice to lay down his life for his friends, not his ability to cast a spell, that saves him in the end. There were so many great moments in this book, most of which you guys have already mentioned... Trixie, I totally agree with you on the Mrs. Weasley thing. One of my other favorites has to be Neville's moment of triumph. (As Frank, Matt and I reached that part of the audiobook, Matt made us stop the CD so that he could run around the house screaming "Neville kicks "). Jim, I agree that the chapter of Snape's memories was absolutely amazing. And his last words to Harry really killed me- as he died, Snape only wanted to look into the eyes of Lily Potter one last time. As for the epilogue, I really liked it. I think JK included it as a kind of gift to all of us who had been with Harry since the beginning. I know that after reading and re-reading the books, cataloging all of the sorrow and pain that Harry had endured, I really needed to know that he not only survived, but that he had a full and happy life. I think she just wanted to spell it out for us. That's all I can think of for now.. I'll sign off with the closing lines of my new favorite radio show, Potterwatch- "Keep each other safe, Keep faith. Goodnight" you guys rock... Kate (Oracle)
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